02/24/21 Wed: Timothy McVeigh, Knife Lady, Abe Lincoln, Karl Marx
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The Hake Report, Wednesday, February 24, 2021: James recounts Wikipedia and other mainstream info about Timothy McVeigh, the 4/19/1995 Oklahoma City Bomber. Great calls!
Mid-second hour James reads Wash. Compost information about Republican Abraham Lincoln's "friendship" with atheist communist Karl Marx, a silly "antislavery" phony who cheered on the civil war which took a huge toll on American lives.
Also see Hake News from JLP's show today.
CALLERS
Art from Ohio reacts to the passing of knife-wielding Sage Crawford (in front of her children!) in a wild confrontation with police, covered on the JLP show.
Cassandra from Arizona describes a TikTok group — a Lana Del Rey Cult — that is burning bibles and allegedly intimidating children to join, and a Hamster Cult of 10-year-olds that opposes them.
Colby from Kansas touches on the gun violence laws proposed by Biden, poverty, crime, and dealing with police.
Gabriel from Toronto, Canada is the Chechen Muslim; he agrees with Art about men. He talks about division and deception, and how war takes men, and leaves only betas.
Glen from NY gives a tip about secular humanism vs. Christianity.
Rick from Hampton, VA talks about the lady whom police dealt with in front of her children, and behavior around cops.
Rafael from Vancouver, Canada, 31, named after San Rafael, California, talks with James about in-fighting and whether people are inherently evil. At the very end he asks how to stand up when you’ll get fired.
TIME STAMPS
…coming?
SHOW NOTES
I want to cover Timothy McVeigh (mostly Wikipedia info*) – about how he was shy/smart (an incel?), was he a white supremacist neo-Nazi? Was he prodded by Feds? (We’re still responsible for our own actions.) 19 children were lost in the Oklahoma City Bombing. The root issue: Anger, atheism.
...know who was into Karl Marx?...not AOC. Abraham Lincoln.
The two men were friendly and influenced each other
(Wash. Compost | Archive, July 27, 2019, by Gillian Brockell) In December 1861 President Abraham Lincoln sent his first annual message to the House and Senate — what later became the State of the Union. He railed against the “disloyal citizens” rebelling against the Union, touted the strength of the Army and Navy. He spent a chunk on what the Chicago Tribune subtitled “Capital Versus Labor:”
“Labor is prior to and independent of capital,” the country’s 16th president said. “Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
Pro-communist hype
(This lady is going after Trump for saying a vote for “any Democrat” in 2020 “is a vote for the rise of radical socialism,” and Cortez and other female congressmen "of color" (Gillian's words) are “a bunch of communists.”) Yet the first Republican president, for whom Trump has expressed admiration, was surrounded by socialists and looked to them for counsel. BUT TRUMP IS A NORMAL BOOMER (MOST BOOMERS ARE NOT NORMAL).
(She falsely claims Pelosi and Schumer are not socialist, communist, or Marxist, which is a lie — they are in that they’ve ushered in nothing but evil and lies and given way over the decades to the destruction of America.)
About Lincoln
Lincoln and Marx — born only nine years apart — were contemporaries. They had many mutual friends, read each other’s work and, in 1865, exchanged letters.
When Lincoln served his sole term in Congress in the late 1840s, the young lawyer from Illinois became close friends with Horace Greeley, a fellow Whig who served briefly alongside him. Greeley was better known as the founder of the New York Tribune, the newspaper largely responsible for transmitting the ideals and ideas that formed the Republican Party in 1854.
….[They] were anti-slavery, pro-worker and sometimes overtly socialist, according to John Nichols, author of the book “The ‘S’ Word: A Short History of an American Tradition … Socialism.” The New York Tribune championed the redistribution of land in the American West to the poor and the emancipation of slaves.
“Greeley welcomed the disapproval of those who championed free markets over the interests of the working class, a class he recognized as including both the oppressed slaves of the south and the degraded industrial laborers of the north,” Nichols writes.
In January 1865, Marx wrote to Lincoln on behalf of the International Workingmen’s Association, a group for socialists, communists, anarchists and trade unions, to “congratulate the American people upon your reelection.”
He said “an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders” had defiled the republic and that “the workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working class.”
Charles Francis Adams (son of John Quincy) indicated Lincoln considered Marx and company “friends.”
About Marx
Marx was also friends with Charles A. Dana, an American socialist fluent in German who was the managing editor of the New York Tribune. In 1852, Dana hired Marx to be the newspaper’s British correspondent.
Over the next decade, Marx wrote nearly 500 articles for the paper.
Like a lot of nascent Republicans, Lincoln was an “avid reader” of the Tribune. It’s nearly guaranteed that, in the 1850s, Lincoln was regularly reading Marx.
Marx rejected wage labor as another form of slavery.
Marx had once considered “going West” himself, to Texas, according to historian Robin Blackburn in his book “An Unfinished Revolution: Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln.”
Marx was intensely interested in the plight of American slaves. In January 1860, he told Engels that the two biggest things happening in the world were “on the one hand the movement of the slaves in America started by the death of John Brown, and on the other the movement of the serfs in Russia.”
Other commies
When the socialist orator and frequent presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs made a campaign stop in Springfield, Ill., in 1908, he told the crowd, “The Republican Party was once red. Lincoln was a revolutionary.”
It was also noted by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In February 1968, at a celebration of the life of W.E.B. Du Bois at Carnegie Hall, King brought up that the co-founder of the NAACP became a communist in his later years.
“It is worth noting,” King said, “that Abraham Lincoln warmly welcomed the support of Karl Marx during the Civil War and corresponded with him freely. … Our irrational obsessive anti-communism has led us into too many quagmires to be retained as if it were a mode of scientific thinking.”
*Timothy McVeigh
(Wikipedia) Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist who carried out the 4/19/1995 Oklahoma City bombing (two years to the day since federal troops ended the 51-day siege at a Branch Davidian sect compound near Waco, Texas) that killed 168 people and injured more than 680 others, and destroyed one third of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.[5][6]
A Gulf War veteran, McVeigh sought revenge against the federal government for the 1993 Waco siege (he went there during the controversy) that ended in the deaths of 86 people, many of whom were children, as well as the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident and American foreign policy. He hoped to inspire a revolution against the federal government, and defended the bombing as a legitimate tactic against what he saw as a tyrannical government.[7]
McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana. His execution was carried out in a considerably shorter time than most inmates awaiting the death penalty.
Shy, brilliant…
… the only son and the second of three children of Irish Americans...
After their parents divorced when McVeigh was ten years old, he was raised by his father in Pendleton, New York.[1][10]
McVeigh claimed to have been a target of bullying at school, and he took refuge in a fantasy world where he imagined retaliating against the bullies.[11] At the end of his life, he stated his belief that the United States government is the ultimate bully.[12]
Most who knew McVeigh remember him as being very shy and withdrawn, while a few described him as an outgoing and playful child who withdrew as an adolescent. He is said to have had only one girlfriend as an adolescent; he later told journalists that he did not have any idea how to impress girls.*[13]
While in high school McVeigh became interested in computers, and hacked into government computer systems on his Commodore 64 under the handle The Wanderer, taken from the song by Dion (DiMucci). In his senior year he was named "most promising computer programmer" of Starpoint Central High School,[14] but had relatively poor grades until his 1986 graduation.[1]
McVeigh's IQ was assessed at 126.[94]
*Incel?
(This Wikipedia section is written weird. It mentions he claimed the military put a computer chip in his buttocks — I could easily hear him saying they chipped my A—, when it could have been anywhere on the body, but someone just took it literally. Also I wonder if the following is a psy-op...)
McVeigh worked long hours in a dead-end job and felt that he did not have a home. He sought romance, but his advances were rejected by a co-worker and he felt nervous around women. He believed that he brought too much pain to his loved ones.[26] He grew angry and frustrated at his difficulties in finding a girlfriend. He took up obsessive gambling.[27] Unable to pay gambling debts, he took a cash advance and then defaulted on his repayments. He began looking for a state[clarification needed] so that he could live without heavy government regulation or high taxes. He became enraged when the government told him that he had been overpaid $1,058 while in the Army and he had to pay back the money. He wrote an angry letter to the government, saying:
"Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property."[28] DRAMA!
McVeigh introduced his sister to anti-government literature, but his father had little interest in these views. He moved out of his father's house and into an apartment that had no telephone. This made it impossible for his employer to contact him for overtime assignments. He quit the National Rifle Association (NRA), believing that it was too weak on gun rights.[29]
White Supremacist? Nah.
Hardly a root issue; a shallow side-note.
McVeigh was reprimanded by the military for purchasing a "White Power" T-shirt at a Ku Klux Klan protest; they[clarification needed] were objecting to black servicemen who wore "Black Power" T-shirts around a military installation (primarily Army).[19]
After being promoted, McVeigh earned a reputation of assigning undesirable work to black servicemen and using racial slurs.[1]
In an interview before his execution, McVeigh said that he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war and celebrated.[20][page needed] He said he was later shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners and to see carnage on the road while leaving Kuwait City after U.S. troops routed the Iraqi army. McVeigh received several service awards…
He wanted to be special forces, but it didn’t work out. McVeigh decided to leave the Army and was honorably discharged in 1991.[23]
(He toured the country going to gun shows.) McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist [Wikipedia's term] novel The Turner Diaries (described by Biography.com as “an anti-government tome by neo-Nazi William Pierce” [Note: Biography.com kisses up to Black History Month with a whole tab for it, RME]).
BTW: Some Australian writer in 2017 called him a “self-proclaimed neo-Nazi” [but that’s nowhere on his Wikipedia page so I know it’s not true]. (That sloppy source: Why Timothy McVeigh is the extremists’ new poster boy, by Debra Killalea news.com.au, July 1, 2017, The Daily Mercury | Archive). In that article, they reference the far-left communist anti-American "SPLC's Bill Morlin" who said "there seems to be a growing admiration for McVeigh in some extremist circles. … One militia honcho even likened McVeigh to Jesus Christ." RME.
Are you a Fed?
He wrote a letter to recruit a customer named Steve Colbern:
A man with nothing left to lose is a very dangerous man and his energy/anger can be focused toward a common/righteous goal. What I'm asking you to do, then, is sit back and be honest with yourself. Do you have kids/wife? Would you back out at the last minute to care for the family? Are you interested in keeping your firearms for their current/future monetary value, or would you drag that '06 through rock, swamp and cactus... to get off the needed shot? In short, I'm not looking for talkers, I'm looking for fighters... And if you are a fed, think twice. Think twice about the Constitution you are supposedly enforcing (isn't "enforcing freedom" an oxymoron?) and think twice about catching us with our guard down – you will lose just like Degan did – and your family will lose.[44]
GEEZ, MISGUIDED, MELODRAMATIC. SELF-IMPORTANT.
19 children killed
(I’ve heard one host make a point about children being killed and how the world reacts differently to that, as opposed to innocent adults being killed, as if killing innocent adults is better. Is this a female emotional mindset? Low moral standards?)
McVeigh said that he had not known that there was a daycare center on the second floor, and that he might have chosen a different target if he had known about it.[52][53] Nichols said that he and McVeigh did know about the daycare center in the building, and that they did not care.[54][55]
McVeigh's biographers, Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck, spoke with McVeigh in interviews totaling 75 hours. He said about the victims:
“To these people in Oklahoma who have lost a loved one, I'm sorry but it happens every day. You're not the first mother to lose a kid, or the first grandparent to lose a grandson or a granddaughter. It happens every day, somewhere in the world. I'm not going to go into that courtroom, curl into a fetal ball and cry just because the victims want me to do that.”
During an interview in 2000 with Ed Bradley for television news magazine 60 Minutes, Bradley asked McVeigh for his reaction to the deaths of the nineteen children. McVeigh said:
"I thought it was terrible that there were children in the building."[56] (VAGUE STATEMENT)
Anger, atheism
Psychiatrists concluded he had major depressive, narcissistic personality, and schizotypal personality disorders.[64] (SORT OF AN EYE-ROLL. ATHEISTIC COMMUNISTIC SOCIETY.)
After examining him in prison, psychiatrist John Smith concluded that McVeigh ("prisoner 12076-064") was "a decent person who had allowed rage to build up inside him to the point that he had lashed out in one terrible, violent act."[13] (BBC | Archive from May 11, 2001) (TRUE, THIS ONE’S RIGHT, I SAY.)
(He was raised Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[97]) In McVeigh's biography American Terrorist, released in 2002, he stated that he did not believe in a hell and that science is his religion.[99][100]
In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying himself as agnostic. However, he took the Last Rites, administered by a priest, just before his execution.[101][102][103][104][105][106]
MSM, RME
(NY Slimes, 4/18/2010, article by Alessandra Stanley: "Timothy J. McVeigh in His Own Remorseless Words" | Archive) “The McVeigh Tapes: Confessions of an American Terrorist,” which will be shown … the 15th anniversary of the bombing, comes at a time when right-wing militia groups are on the rise... and heightened anti-government talk is heating up anti-anti-government fervor. ...
“Nine years after his execution we are left worrying that Timothy McVeigh’s voice from the grave echoes in a new rising tide of American anti-government extremism,” is how the MSNBC commentator Rachel Maddow, who narrates the film, puts it in her introduction.
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